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[SocialFlaws]

I do not think the Panther is represented accurately. I read that German testing found the 122mm of the IS/IS-2 to bounce on a panther's hull at 30 degrees. Well, nothing bounces on the panther despite its angled everything, at whatever angle the tank is facing. I think it really needs an armor buff instead of the massive HP pool of 1270. At 1270, it has 20 more HP than the T29 - and it's a medium. Another point you bring up is very pertinent though, I could not stop getting ammo racked in my panther, even with a WAR. I equipped it and I suppose it stopped me from one hit deaths every other game, but it was every other game that the damn thing went out on me. Seriously, I have over 700 battles in my Type 59 and the Panther gets ammo racked more by far. Moreover, the longgggg 75mm is a good sniping gun, but it doesn't belong on the Panther. It makes for a wacky combination that just gets you yelled at in pub matches, and when you do try to brawl, may the force be with you because you're going to get your ass kicked. I'd also like to add that the Panther 2 was one of my favorite tanks but it has a similar ammo rack problem. (The E-50 does not, but it does get one-shotted by arty a lot.)

[TIGERSHARK715]

Played almost 100 games in my Panther... ended up a 59% win ratio..   Early on around 30 games i was 76% win while using the 75L70     Once i moved to the 75L100 it was even better!

But my loss rate started to kick in.    I understand MM groups you based on your weight...  I thought i noticed that when upgunning or getting new stuff.. it seemed to put you in higher matches...

Maybe ill re-buy plain vanilla panther, and see if my win goes up!

[Joesco726]

Ah, the ol' Stock Panther. For all intents and purposes, anyways, your Panth is stock.
Was the worst stock tank in the game 'til it got moved down to tier 7.
Yeah, it used to be fighting T-44s and T-23s, at tier 8.
That. That sucked.

[Orinana]

TIGERSHARK715, on Feb 24 2012 - 10:12, said:

Played almost 100 games in my Panther... ended up a 59% win ratio..   Early on around 30 games i was 76% win while using the 75L70     Once i moved to the 75L100 it was even better!

But my loss rate started to kick in.    I understand MM groups you based on your weight...  I thought i noticed that when upgunning or getting new stuff.. it seemed to put you in higher matches...

Maybe ill re-buy plain vanilla panther, and see if my win goes up!

HI

My Panther 1 got 6 wins last nite for 1 loss and walked away with 14 kills using the 88mm/L56 including a very near top gun result. As a bonus 2 of my wins with the Panther 1 were in Tier 9-10 battles and I had a kill in each also with the 88mm/L56

In the last 20 games or so with the Panther 1 I have picked up 1 Top Gun Medal, 1 Reaper Medal, 1 Confederate Medal and have about 4 games with 5 kills in each. I seem to be averaging almost 1-2 kills per game.

For me the biggest difference between the 88mm/L56 and 75mm/L100 is the ability to kill lower tier tanks (1-6) very quickly in 1-3 shot so that my time being exposed to return fire is reduced and I can get on with helping my team destroy higher tier tanks

Most tanks upto Tier 7-8 can be penned frontally (maybe a few hvs cant be) and tier 9-10 you pretty much have to flank with the 88mm/L56 but I find you have to flank with the 75mm/L100 (to penetrate reliably) also against those higher tier tanks anyway..might as well have the extra kill power of the 88mm

The 88mm/L56 works fine as a sniper gun and I find its slower shell velocity has more of a arc so it tends to dip DOWN into the target tank at a distance and hit the deck armor..and for most part deck armor on most tanks up to tier 8-9 is not really good

case in point-Killed KV3-3 shots at about 450m-Pz4 2 or 3 shots not sure which about 550m also dead

So it does require more flanking (anyone tells u Panther 1 cant flank doesnt know what they talk about...DB is better but Panther 1 can do it) and more selective where and what you shoot at

rene

[Rypper]

Orinana, on Feb 24 2012 - 18:59, said:

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You really need to stop repeating this stuff about short 88. It reads like high fantasy (the bit about hitting "armored decks" of T9 tanks is my favorite), but less experienced players may believe this nonsense and end up hating a perfectly good tank.

[Orinana]

Rypper, on Feb 25 2012 - 00:28, said:

You really need to stop repeating this stuff about short 88. It reads like high fantasy (the bit about hitting "armored decks" of T9 tanks is my favorite), but less experienced players may believe this nonsense and end up hating a perfectly good tank.

HI


1st place I did not make up the ballistic thing thats from another thread on this forum and the deck armor of all tanks is weaker then side and frontal armor

2nd With over 2000 games in the Panther I think I might have some knowledge of what works on a Panther 1..if I had a dreadful 35% win rate then you may have point but I dont..Im nearly at 50%-51% win rate in what has to be one of the most difficult tanks to fight in WOT

3rd There seems to be a forum bible that the Panther 1 must have the 75mm/L100 to be successful and this is simply not the case..

the 75mm/L100 is the best gun for a specific style of play and that is mostly sniping

You can be successful with the 88mm/L56 if you adjust your play style and tactics.
You can be successful with 75mm/L70 as well especially if you want a Panther that accelerates better so u can flank

The Panther 1 is a sniper tank but all 3 guns demand different tactics and play style..what might work for some may not work for others

I am simply suggesting that people should try all 3 guns out and I just gave 2 examples of how the 88mm/L56 worked out for me..no need to get all jumpy about it

rene

[Rainybeet]

Panther with 75mm L100 can hit anything at any distance that you can possibly see.  It has .28 accuracy, which is better than the vast majority of TDs and tells you how the tank should be played.  You should not be second line, you should be way off the the side supporting the first and second line.  You know when you see a tank with just 5% poking up over a crest?  You can hit that.  See a tank 650 meters away?  You can not only hit that, you can decide what modules you want to hit.  I only have a 78% hit ratio, but that is because I try so many other shots that other tanks would not try in a million years.

You also have speed, which means that unlike a TD you can move to where the battle is, reposition easily, and if you are spotted you can get out of the way.  You can play peek-a-boo at several hundred meters to avoid arty or TDs.

[KurganSPK]

Stick with it! Get the l100 and it's great fun -- destroyed a Lowe with it from across the map yesterday (took five shots I think... ) and he was looking all over the place for what was killing him as he was crawling along. He clearly didn't take my first hit, or two seriously but there he was... dead after 50 yards!     Great fun after taking a pasting from them using this tank the wrong way, and with the 88, which I just can't hit anything with (at least on the Panther and Tiger chassis).

[StarkRavinMad]

I really like the Panther with the l100. It took me a little to long to figure out that it is a mid to long distance support tank, but once I figured that out it's a lot of fun. Ammo rack hits haven't been much of an issue, but my loader used to get hit ALOT, then I learned not to expose the right side of the turret if at all avoidable.

It won't necessarily earn you the most kills, but I don't think there is a better tank for tracking other tanks available. Tracking a high tier heavy from a distance with the Panther's laser so arty has an easy target is priceless. You can also screw up a group of advancing tanks by successively and repeatedly tracking whichever tank moves to the front because of the accuracy and fast reload. The fast reload and relatively high pen is great for nailing t-50 and t-50-2's.

It's not a glamorous role, but if you make your goal to disable enemy tanks so that the heavy hitters have an immobile target to shoot at, you'll end up on the winning team more often.

[NeatoMan]

Strategyking92, on Feb 16 2012 - 22:13, said:

I really have to wonder if constantly getting ammo racked is just a bit of an exagerration by some folks, lol. I have not had these sorts of problems with any of my tanks (which includes the panther II and the panther I)

I get hit in the ammo rack constantly in my Panther, and only slightly less often in my panther 2.  It seems I have to burn a repair kit for repairing ammo racks on my german tanks one out of every three or four games.  Just one look at the diagrams compared to the soviet tanks and it becomes clear.  The modules on the german tanks are huge, and frequently overlap, allowing for multiple module damage from one hit.  The panther and the VK mediums are the worst offenders.

btw - my panther with the L100 is one of my best performing tanks.  When sniping, stay at least 15m behind bushes, and make use of your teammate's spotting.  You'll become that much despised "invisible" tank.

[Silty]

StarkRavinMad, on Mar 06 2012 - 22:58, said:

I don't think there is a better tank for tracking other tanks available.

Possibly the Wolverine or Sherman Jumbo, with the M1A2.  They sorely lack penetration, but they have a higher RoF and DPM, so the gun is mainly useful for tracking tanks and destroying buildings.

I mean, usually I track tanks if I can't reliably damage them.  Panther has insane pen for a tier 7 medium, though.  I'm a bit surprised to hear Panther owners using the shots to track tanks instead of damaging them.

[Kzerza]

Silty, on Mar 07 2012 - 05:47, said:

I mean, usually I track tanks if I can't reliably damage them.  Panther has insane pen for a tier 7 medium, though.  I'm a bit surprised to hear Panther owners using the shots to track tanks instead of damaging them.

Why choose? The Panther can track. and double track from a long way off. I recall one time where I was alternating between putting a shot in some poor guy's hull and one in either of his tracks. He was paralyzed while  a TD and I took him apart.

[StarkRavinMad]

Silty, on Mar 07 2012 - 05:47, said:

Possibly the Wolverine or Sherman Jumbo, with the M1A2.  They sorely lack penetration, but they have a higher RoF and DPM, so the gun is mainly useful for tracking tanks and destroying buildings.

I mean, usually I track tanks if I can't reliably damage them.  Panther has insane pen for a tier 7 medium, though.  I'm a bit surprised to hear Panther owners using the shots to track tanks instead of damaging them.

I didn't mean to imply track instead of damage. My point was that you can track enemies that are a long way off that are crossing open terrain, because they don't expect to get hit at that distance. Once they are tracked, not only can you land another shot or two (for damage), but now the enemy tank is an easy target for arty and other teammates.

Another case is when you end up in one of the city maps which don't exactly suit the panther. An enemy can't play peek and boom with you if you track him before his gun clears the building. Depending on the tank, you can get off one if not two more free shots on the side of the hull, and then track him again before he can move.

[mastergenera1]

basically use the panther like its a tiger H with the 88 L/71 sit back snipe,and stay unseen if possible.i remeber using the 75L/100 on the panther II when it was T9 and the gun had .25 acc,same thing stay back far bhind the front and snipe targets,use ur speed to move if spotted as others have said.pretty much all german tanks playstyle revolves around the tiger H anyway,once u learn that tank u know em all pretty much.

[Embiggener]

SocialFlaws, on Feb 23 2012 - 20:59, said:

I do not think the Panther is represented accurately. I read that German testing found the 122mm of the IS/IS-2 to bounce on a panther's hull at 30 degrees.

Whether that's accurate or not, some of the russian gun pen values are... well... lol.

They dump on the German tanks, they'll continue to dump on the German tanks.  If you can't deal with it you pretty much have to not drive them or not play.

I do very well with the Panther regardless.  You just have to understand it's a like a KV-1S with a fast-firing needlegun and more HP.  It succeeds despite itself.

[Kzerza]

Embiggener, on Mar 07 2012 - 19:48, said:

They dump on the German tanks, they'll continue to dump on the German tanks.  If you can't deal with it you pretty much have to not drive them or not play.

Agreed. We just have to be  better than what we're getting.

[KillingMeSoftly]

It's a shame they recently nerf'd the Panther.  It really didn't need it.  I  also have a Wet Ammo Rack installed on mine yet I take ammo rack damage constantly -- without the WAR, I can only imagine I'd be exploding every other battle.  This wasn't the case before the nerf.  The Panther also could use it's top engine that it lost with its move down to Tier 7.  It's an alright tank, and the only thing noteworthy is the accuracy and penetration.  Over-all it feels kind of ho-hum to me, and I love German mediums and especially sniping.

[Orinana]

KillingMeSoftly, on Mar 08 2012 - 01:10, said:

It's a shame they recently nerf'd the Panther.  It really didn't need it.  I  also have a Wet Ammo Rack installed on mine yet I take ammo rack damage constantly -- without the WAR, I can only imagine I'd be exploding every other battle.  This wasn't the case before the nerf.  The Panther also could use it's top engine that it lost with its move down to Tier 7.  It's an alright tank, and the only thing noteworthy is the accuracy and penetration.  Over-all it feels kind of ho-hum to me, and I love German mediums and especially sniping.

Im wondering where you get your information from?

Panther benefited from shell normalization in patch 7.0 means the Panther 1 armor bounces a bit more then before. And Panther 1 is getting a armor boost in patch 7.3..I dont think it gets any better for this tank then before

The only thing they did was reduce the ammo rack by 20% because they forgot to do it when they moved the tank down from tier 8. That being said the ammo rack is a non-issue..I have 2100+ games and i have had the ammo rack blow up 2 times..all u need is a 116% crew and if it bugs you a lot then put on a Wet ammo rack..The Panthers armor is a bit soft but its good enough for its tier

I dont have a WR on mine cause u dont need it..I dont know how many times veteran Panther 1 players have said the same thing!! have repair kit and fire ext and you will be fine..Just to let u know in 2100+ games my Panther has gone boom twice!!!

get your information right..If you dont like the Panther 1 then stop driving it and sell it

rene

[KillingMeSoftly]

Obviously you love the tank, and that's great.  I'm glad there are players who do.  But the Panther isn't without its flaws.  First, modules don't increase in health based on the tier.  So I'm not sure who told you they reduced the ammo rack health because "they forgot to" or whatever, but that's a blatant lie by whoever said it or they were misinformed.  Also you didn't read my post where I said I do have a wet ammo rack, and it doesn't help that much.  Panther's modules are quite fragile, and just playing it shows that.  Lastly, armor normalization doesn't do anything for 82mm of armor with a moderate slope, anything but the weakest guns on the field are going to pen you except when you're lucky.  I don't know why you're so defensive about it, but the nerfs had a noticeable impact for me.  I used to really love it, but now not so much.  The Panther series are my favorite tanks and I won't sell them, but I don't mind telling it how it is.  The Panther didn't need the nerfs.

[Orinana]

KillingMeSoftly, on Mar 08 2012 - 07:07, said:

Obviously you love the tank, and that's great.  I'm glad there are players who do.  But the Panther isn't without its flaws.  First, modules don't increase in health based on the tier.  So I'm not sure who told you they reduced the ammo rack health because "they forgot to" or whatever, but that's a blatant lie by whoever said it or they were misinformed.  Also you didn't read my post where I said I do have a wet ammo rack, and it doesn't help that much.  Panther's modules are quite fragile, and just playing it shows that.  Lastly, armor normalization doesn't do anything for 82mm of armor with a moderate slope, anything but the weakest guns on the field are going to pen you except when you're lucky.  I don't know why you're so defensive about it, but the nerfs had a noticeable impact for me.  I used to really love it, but now not so much.  The Panther series are my favorite tanks and I won't sell them, but I don't mind telling it how it is.  The Panther didn't need the nerfs.

the only one misinformed here is you.

the ammo racks had tier 8 values and were moved to tier 7 values
The WAR helps alot..if your getting racked with the WR then ur the problem..poor tactical positioning
shell normalization helped the Panther 1 armor a bit

and finally you should sell the tank