Who say's the T34 sucks?
Carrera
Feb 19 2012
Good game that's all that proves, we all have had them. The T34 can not hold its own with it peers. It has Glass Jaw! All guns pen it's hull, you die fast. You have to compensate and play "Hull down" or peek a boo to survive. But that is not what a heavy T9 tank is made for. If you cant stay in front of a Is4 or E75 or even Is3s and go toe to toe with a chance of survival, something is wrong with the tier of your tank. A heavy tier ( tank should play like one), not like a T20 bobbing and weaving when it confronts other tanks. have fun
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NateBlack0
Feb 19 2012
Carrera, on Feb 19 2012 - 17:25, said:
Good game that's all that proves, we all have had them. The T34 can not hold its own with it peers. It has Glass Jaw! All guns pen it's hull, you die fast. You have to compensate and play "Hull down" or peek a boo to survive. But that is not what a heavy T9 tank is made for. If you cant stay in front of a Is4 or E75 or even Is3s and go toe to toe with a chance of survival, something is wrong with the tier of your tank. A heavy tier ( tank should play like one), not like a T20 bobbing and weaving when it confronts other tanks. have fun
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What? The T34 outclasses other tier 9 heavys so badly 1 on 1 it's not even funny. It's definitly OP in that regard.
IS-4, 1790hp, 2176 dpm. Reload 13.5 sec.
T34, 1900hp, 2620 dpm. Reload 9.2 sec.
Not only that, the aimtime is better and the mobility is better on the T34. If you are a somewhat skilled player you will penetrate a IS-4 with every shot. Or that should be your target. Of course you can miss, but so will he. And he has to reload for longer.
The only weakness the T34 can not get rid of is it's weakness to lower tier tanks, they will penetrate it. Other than that, it's the strongest tier 9 heavy in my opinion by far. It doesn't matter that it has 102mm front armor (sloped aswell), it might have 1mm for all I care. I KNOW that the enemy will penetrate me with every shot that connects to my front hull. I count on it. But I also know that I will penetrate the enemy, and spit out much more damage in pretty much any given time. That makes the T34 able to dominate any tier 9 or below in the hands of a player that knows how to use the T34.
I love it when lone E-75s or IS-4s try to take me on in a duel, they think their armor is the sh*t and all. Too bad they get penetrated every time and die so fast.
EDIT* Neg rep for trying to help point out the strong point of the T34? Thanks.
ramp4ge
Feb 19 2012
DPM against it's peers isn't as high as it is on paper because the 120mm has less penetration then it's peers while the T34's peers are all heavily armored. Non-penetrating shots on IS-4 and E-75 glacis' are relatively common. Hell, it's common to bounce on IS-3 glacis. The gun's not particularly accurate so hitting specific weakspots at range isn't s easy as it's often made out to be.
Penetration on an E-75 or IS-4, especially frontally, is far from guarantee'd. However they WILL penetrate your hull, bad RNG roll or not. A bounce = 0 DPS.
Penetration on an E-75 or IS-4, especially frontally, is far from guarantee'd. However they WILL penetrate your hull, bad RNG roll or not. A bounce = 0 DPS.
DrDeus
Feb 20 2012
NateBlack0, on Feb 19 2012 - 18:00, said:
What? The T34 outclasses other tier 9 heavys so badly 1 on 1 it's not even funny. It's definitly OP in that regard.
IS-4, 1790hp, 2176 dpm. Reload 13.5 sec.
T34, 1900hp, 2620 dpm. Reload 9.2 sec.
Not only that, the aimtime is better and the mobility is better on the T34. If you are a somewhat skilled player you will penetrate a IS-4 with every shot. Or that should be your target. Of course you can miss, but so will he. And he has to reload for longer.
The only weakness the T34 can not get rid of is it's weakness to lower tier tanks, they will penetrate it. Other than that, it's the strongest tier 9 heavy in my opinion by far. It doesn't matter that it has 102mm front armor (sloped aswell), it might have 1mm for all I care. I KNOW that the enemy will penetrate me with every shot that connects to my front hull. I count on it. But I also know that I will penetrate the enemy, and spit out much more damage in pretty much any given time. That makes the T34 able to dominate any tier 9 or below in the hands of a player that knows how to use the T34.
I love it when lone E-75s or IS-4s try to take me on in a duel, they think their armor is the sh*t and all. Too bad they get penetrated every time and die so fast.
IS-4, 1790hp, 2176 dpm. Reload 13.5 sec.
T34, 1900hp, 2620 dpm. Reload 9.2 sec.
Not only that, the aimtime is better and the mobility is better on the T34. If you are a somewhat skilled player you will penetrate a IS-4 with every shot. Or that should be your target. Of course you can miss, but so will he. And he has to reload for longer.
The only weakness the T34 can not get rid of is it's weakness to lower tier tanks, they will penetrate it. Other than that, it's the strongest tier 9 heavy in my opinion by far. It doesn't matter that it has 102mm front armor (sloped aswell), it might have 1mm for all I care. I KNOW that the enemy will penetrate me with every shot that connects to my front hull. I count on it. But I also know that I will penetrate the enemy, and spit out much more damage in pretty much any given time. That makes the T34 able to dominate any tier 9 or below in the hands of a player that knows how to use the T34.
I love it when lone E-75s or IS-4s try to take me on in a duel, they think their armor is the sh*t and all. Too bad they get penetrated every time and die so fast.
Too bad you don't penetrate every hit, thanks to rng and not having 0.2 accuracy. Nice Attempt at trying to sound awesome though.
nexdea
Feb 20 2012
steel_eater, on Feb 19 2012 - 06:59, said:
T34 is wonderful after the 120. It sucks really badly with the 105, and I doubt most people even survive the 105 grind before giving up on the tank.
I survive the 105 grind and for matter of fact I grinded my face on the cheese grate from stock to almost elite well almost (100k more). I really hated it with 105 and when I got 120 I find it better and with best engine I forgave her . Sure I can't roflstomp things or bounce any tank tier V upwards but putting a hole in a maus and make him cringe brings a smile to my face.
KnightFandragon
Feb 20 2012
How in the hell do you do that Onyx? You must be innately gifted with the ability to play WoT incredibly well....Nice work for sure.
Meanwhile my T34 is sitting 7 games from 50/50 after 73 battles....pretty pathetic showing in that thing lately...
Meanwhile my T34 is sitting 7 games from 50/50 after 73 battles....pretty pathetic showing in that thing lately...
Gorgrom
Feb 20 2012
t34 does suck and sucks hard it is sooooo bad. Then you get the 120 and it is like a shiny brand new tank that doesn't suck since it can at the very least deal out more damage than it takes.....
Onyx
Feb 20 2012
Honestly, it's not that I'm innately good (Garbad would probably steamroll me, as an example. He's a god walking amongst mere mortals in this game) it's just that...I'm intelligent and have an incredibly amazing memory (one of my defining features).
The intelligence just lets me choose the right decisions at any given time, while memory lets me know what a tank can do at any given time, what the gun can fight, how to fight it, where to back up to if I need to better protect my tank, so on and so forth. The game heavily, heavily biases someone with a good memory, since twitch is largely unimportant, and the game is all about positioning and knowing how to attack a tank. For instance, if I have the 90mm, I know that the IS and T29 are difficult tanks from the front without good solid straight shots. I can get through the front of a KT's lower glacis, but it's very difficult and largely unideal. The IS-4 is impossible, but IS-3s are doable from the side/rear with good shot placement.
US tanks, more-so than any other, gain massive returns from intelligent play with strong memories, since their guns are often average with below-average penetration. But, if you know where to aim and how to work the aimer, how normal distribution works, and so on and so forth, you can really exploit the soft stats that they do get really well with, which are gun depression and maneuverability.
Ironically, I'm not that great a player. I have somewhat delayed map awareness, I often don't read the map quickly enough to react to an evolving situation, and I'm a damned slow and methodical thinker. I lack the necessary intuition to read what an enemy team will do and get a slow tank into position quickly enough, and my aim isn't steady enough to make great use of high-alpha guns. Just, with my knowledge of the tanks, how they play, and what options are present at any given time, when I do make a decision to, for instance, reposition, if my tank is strong enough, I can quickly and easily get across the map to make use of it. This is why I so heavily, heavily emphasize how maneuverable US tanks are. They play to my more reactionary nature almost perfectly and, with their strong but often misunderstood guns with my strong memory, I'm able to work magic with them that befuddles most people. But, ironically, in comparison, I do significantly worse on German tanks because they lack the raw maneuver of an equivalent tier US tank. Many on these boards discount the difference or otherwise devalue it, but for me, the difference is just enough to allow me to throw the tank around as necessary to get the job done, and it most definitely is noticeable to me, as I am more likely to pay attention to maneuver as I benefit very heavily from it.
Hopefully I'm not coming off as arrogant, I try not to be, at least. And, perhaps you'll understand a little bit more about why I defend the US tanks the way I do as a result. Regardless, the T34 is a solid tank in my hands, and there's very few things I want added to the tank.
The intelligence just lets me choose the right decisions at any given time, while memory lets me know what a tank can do at any given time, what the gun can fight, how to fight it, where to back up to if I need to better protect my tank, so on and so forth. The game heavily, heavily biases someone with a good memory, since twitch is largely unimportant, and the game is all about positioning and knowing how to attack a tank. For instance, if I have the 90mm, I know that the IS and T29 are difficult tanks from the front without good solid straight shots. I can get through the front of a KT's lower glacis, but it's very difficult and largely unideal. The IS-4 is impossible, but IS-3s are doable from the side/rear with good shot placement.
US tanks, more-so than any other, gain massive returns from intelligent play with strong memories, since their guns are often average with below-average penetration. But, if you know where to aim and how to work the aimer, how normal distribution works, and so on and so forth, you can really exploit the soft stats that they do get really well with, which are gun depression and maneuverability.
Ironically, I'm not that great a player. I have somewhat delayed map awareness, I often don't read the map quickly enough to react to an evolving situation, and I'm a damned slow and methodical thinker. I lack the necessary intuition to read what an enemy team will do and get a slow tank into position quickly enough, and my aim isn't steady enough to make great use of high-alpha guns. Just, with my knowledge of the tanks, how they play, and what options are present at any given time, when I do make a decision to, for instance, reposition, if my tank is strong enough, I can quickly and easily get across the map to make use of it. This is why I so heavily, heavily emphasize how maneuverable US tanks are. They play to my more reactionary nature almost perfectly and, with their strong but often misunderstood guns with my strong memory, I'm able to work magic with them that befuddles most people. But, ironically, in comparison, I do significantly worse on German tanks because they lack the raw maneuver of an equivalent tier US tank. Many on these boards discount the difference or otherwise devalue it, but for me, the difference is just enough to allow me to throw the tank around as necessary to get the job done, and it most definitely is noticeable to me, as I am more likely to pay attention to maneuver as I benefit very heavily from it.
Hopefully I'm not coming off as arrogant, I try not to be, at least. And, perhaps you'll understand a little bit more about why I defend the US tanks the way I do as a result. Regardless, the T34 is a solid tank in my hands, and there's very few things I want added to the tank.
SpectreHD
Feb 20 2012
KnightFandragon, on Feb 20 2012 - 11:52, said:
How in the hell do you do that Onyx? You must be innately gifted with the ability to play WoT incredibly well....Nice work for sure.
Meanwhile my T34 is sitting 7 games from 50/50 after 73 battles....pretty pathetic showing in that thing lately...
Meanwhile my T34 is sitting 7 games from 50/50 after 73 battles....pretty pathetic showing in that thing lately...
Well, he was platooned for one thing so he would have one less dumb teammate on his team
. Probably less than 5 games in my T34 stats were platooned but I had the 120mm from the first match. Would not go through the 120mm grind in the 105mm a second time. *shudder*Had this match and I pretty much solo most of my pub matches.
Onyx
Feb 20 2012
SpectreHD, on Feb 20 2012 - 12:48, said:
Well, he was platooned for one thing so he would have one less dumb teammate on his team . Probably less than 5 games in my T34 stats were platooned but I had the 120mm from the first match. Would not go through the 120mm grind in the 105mm a second time. *shudder*
Had this match and I pretty much solo most of my pub matches.
. Probably less than 5 games in my T34 stats were platooned but I had the 120mm from the first match. Would not go through the 120mm grind in the 105mm a second time. *shudder*Had this match and I pretty much solo most of my pub matches.
That E-75 I was platooned with didn't help me when the game was 1v5 with 3 arty still up, a T-54, and an E-75 for me to fight as the only person left alive. This is one of those rare instances where I put my entire team in my backpack and carried them with the T34. I've done it twice to memory, and have gotten pretty close a few other times, but no amount of player skill, knowledge, or intelligence can make up for 150mm effective front armor in tier 9 on a tank with a footprint damn-near rivaling the E-100.
I wish that game was recorded. It was 6.7 IIRC and I don't use fraps/etc
SpectreHD
Feb 20 2012
Onyx, on Feb 20 2012 - 13:02, said:
That E-75 I was platooned with didn't help me when the game was 1v5 with 3 arty still up, a T-54, and an E-75 for me to fight as the only person left alive. This is one of those rare instances where I put my entire team in my backpack and carried them with the T34. I've done it twice to memory, and have gotten pretty close a few other times, but no amount of player skill, knowledge, or intelligence can make up for 150mm effective front armor in tier 9 on a tank with a footprint damn-near rivaling the E-100.
I wish that game was recorded. It was 6.7 IIRC and I don't use fraps/etc
I wish that game was recorded. It was 6.7 IIRC and I don't use fraps/etc
That means you should have gotten one of them rare medals right? The one about standing alone vs like 5 or more enemies? But yeah, I too have a few screenshots where I carry my whole team as well but no platoon so I am pretty much angry in those matches even if we had won.
Onyx
Feb 20 2012
SpectreHD, on Feb 20 2012 - 13:06, said:
That means you should have gotten one of them rare medals right? The one about standing alone vs like 5 or more enemies? But yeah, I too have a few screenshots where I carry my whole team as well but no platoon so I am pretty much angry in those matches even if we had won.
Inconveniently, it's six *grumble*
What makes this particularly bad is that I did damned near the same thing maybe a week before those screenshots in the T34 with the T5E1, on the same map, and got denied that medal basically twice within a month because you need to just go above and beyond any realm of sanity to get that.
SpectreHD
Feb 20 2012
Onyx, on Feb 20 2012 - 13:11, said:
Inconveniently, it's six *grumble*
What makes this particularly bad is that I did damned near the same thing maybe a week before those screenshots in the T34 with the T5E1, on the same map, and got denied that medal basically twice within a month because you need to just go above and beyond any realm of sanity to get that.
What makes this particularly bad is that I did damned near the same thing maybe a week before those screenshots in the T34 with the T5E1, on the same map, and got denied that medal basically twice within a month because you need to just go above and beyond any realm of sanity to get that.
Oh wow...6...but I do not know how you might fare if you have 6 coming for you instead of 5. Still, you did the impossible.
Lastresort
Feb 20 2012
I had a game with 30 Hits for damage which netted me 92k Credits and 2,500 XP. The only Tank I struggle to pen is the E-75 the lower hull seems to bounce just too often as well as the hatch. The tank itself is absolutely great on any map with small hills / hulldown spots but anything else you'll struggle.
CCC_Dober
Feb 20 2012
Onyx, the screens have proven one thing at least. A T34 victory is usually built on a long line of burning wrecks belonging to its team mates. Back in the days I was honestly glad to consign that tank to the garage and stop being a liability with that kind of armor. It feels wrong to see your team sacrificed because you can't fight the tanks you're supposed to fight on their terms, while the reverse is not true. The T30 on the other hand has a gun going for it that can keep heads down. The T34, well ... not so much.
KnightFandragon
Feb 20 2012
Onyx, on Feb 20 2012 - 13:02, said:
That E-75 I was platooned with didn't help me when the game was 1v5 with 3 arty still up, a T-54, and an E-75 for me to fight as the only person left alive. This is one of those rare instances where I put my entire team in my backpack and carried them with the T34. I've done it twice to memory, and have gotten pretty close a few other times, but no amount of player skill, knowledge, or intelligence can make up for 150mm effective front armor in tier 9 on a tank with a footprint damn-near rivaling the E-100.
I wish that game was recorded. It was 6.7 IIRC and I don't use fraps/etc
I wish that game was recorded. It was 6.7 IIRC and I don't use fraps/etc
oh, it s 6.7 that game happened..I see. When the players still seemed to have some semblence of what could be considered a taactical clue. Now they just seem to be utterly useless and clueless beyond all sanity without any idea how to even play a video game period.....My last like 11 games are 3 wins, 7 losses and a draw. My T34 is 7 away from being even and 8 from a losing record and no end to the insanity in sight. We have people leaving flanks wide open, not guarding base...Its like I gotta do it all but cant be everywhere at once...I am having games where I get 3 and 4 kills and dish out tons of dmg but still lose. I deleted all my recent games as they were all losses and not worth rewatching....But yeah....We need more Onyx's in this game...less what im dealing with now....yikes. Its like the T2s are playing better then the T10s....whats up with that? I have been doing wonderful in my Tetrarch...
I have platooned up with my uncle and dad and we still lose most the time. Sadly 3 tanks cant beat 15.....I love it when us 3 roll up a flank but the other side...who still consists of heavies on our team gets just murdered...
Onyx
Feb 21 2012
Yeah, yesterday I had 3 losses in a row on my T34 where I averaged 800 xp minimum. I...I'll just leave this here.
http://dl.dropbox.co...g_bay.wotreplay
This replay shows both how the T34 is an amazing tank while played right, and how it's very lacking despite this.
And this replay here...also from the same day...
http://dl.dropbox.co...sdorf.wotreplay
shows why an E-75 is just such a better tank than the T34 in most situations and is just facerollingly easy.
The T34 needs better accuracy, better front armor, better view range, and I think I'm going to have to finally say better penetration, just so it can compete with tanks like the E-75, which can walk all over it when the driver knows what they're doing...
Also, screw that panther 2.
http://dl.dropbox.co...g_bay.wotreplay
This replay shows both how the T34 is an amazing tank while played right, and how it's very lacking despite this.
And this replay here...also from the same day...
http://dl.dropbox.co...sdorf.wotreplay
shows why an E-75 is just such a better tank than the T34 in most situations and is just facerollingly easy.
The T34 needs better accuracy, better front armor, better view range, and I think I'm going to have to finally say better penetration, just so it can compete with tanks like the E-75, which can walk all over it when the driver knows what they're doing...
Also, screw that panther 2.
HerrDuck
Feb 21 2012
I actually had probably my best game today on Sand River. I went through and added it up, and apparently I did 7697 damage (broken gun probably kept me from 8k) and managed to get Steel Wall, Confederate and Sniper. If you want, you can witness me both running out of ammo and completely failing at a facehug at the end of the match (also, no longer carrying 6 HE). I felt bad for abandoning a few teammates, but you gotta do what you gotta do.
http://i.imgur.com/v8z1W.jpg
http://www.mediafire...296pb8om3z3dhvl
As for what the T34 needs, it's moot now, but either accuracy or penetration would be nice. Accuracy would help hit weak spots more effectively and penetration would help overall, but I don't think both are needed. If they gave it like a .31 gun I honestly would love the tank. The view range is patently absurd, though. I also wouldn't say no to more front armor (at least consistently bounce Tier 8 mediums from the front, please), but at this point Stockholm Syndrome has set in and I'm used to it.
http://i.imgur.com/v8z1W.jpg
http://www.mediafire...296pb8om3z3dhvl
As for what the T34 needs, it's moot now, but either accuracy or penetration would be nice. Accuracy would help hit weak spots more effectively and penetration would help overall, but I don't think both are needed. If they gave it like a .31 gun I honestly would love the tank. The view range is patently absurd, though. I also wouldn't say no to more front armor (at least consistently bounce Tier 8 mediums from the front, please), but at this point Stockholm Syndrome has set in and I'm used to it.
DrDeus
Feb 21 2012
I don't see what posting good scores in the occasional game says about the tank other than it is capable of killing bad players when in a good players hands. I can do that too.
http://www.mediafire...aghaekbih7kd9o4
http://www.mediafire...zg5278ibg3102af
I can get 9 or 10 kills or show games where I manhandle bad Is4's and E75's, but it doesn't change the badness of the tank. 95% of what I can accomplish in it, I could accomplish better in an IS4 or E75, and not have to play like a total vagina while doing it. Like the guy above essentially said, the T34 climbs the hill to success on a pile of his teammates corpses and those of the enemy that were bold enough to push. People act like the tank is so amazing when you get the gun, and the gun is completely average. It literally just makes you competitive, in that yes, you can kill things in your tier from the front finally (except for IS4s which you will still bounce 1/3 shots on their weakspot).
I have full confidence that the new tanks are going to suck too, especially the tier 10 tank with the supposed 400 damage cannon. Should be fun to find out though.
http://www.mediafire...aghaekbih7kd9o4
http://www.mediafire...zg5278ibg3102af
I can get 9 or 10 kills or show games where I manhandle bad Is4's and E75's, but it doesn't change the badness of the tank. 95% of what I can accomplish in it, I could accomplish better in an IS4 or E75, and not have to play like a total vagina while doing it. Like the guy above essentially said, the T34 climbs the hill to success on a pile of his teammates corpses and those of the enemy that were bold enough to push. People act like the tank is so amazing when you get the gun, and the gun is completely average. It literally just makes you competitive, in that yes, you can kill things in your tier from the front finally (except for IS4s which you will still bounce 1/3 shots on their weakspot).
I have full confidence that the new tanks are going to suck too, especially the tier 10 tank with the supposed 400 damage cannon. Should be fun to find out though.
