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[rtp099]

I have a 59 with almost 800 battles and I admit that I was quite upset by the change in MM. However, after playing it in it's new MM placing I find my playstyle has changed a bit and I can do even better as the bigger tiers provide bigger payout and xp. I find that my stats on it have marginally lowers, but I tend to play it in a more conservitive manner and I always buy gold rounds on sale and carry some as the 175 pen on the standard ammo is a little anemic in some situations.

[Yoott]

Weve gone through this for months now.. WG can change anything in the game they wish at anytime and don't owe anyone anything. You agree to this everytime you fast scrolled to the bottom of the Eula and clicked accept. I agree at first I was a bit miffed but having really seen no drop in my ability to cause carnage (maybe a little less reckless) or make credits I dont think its a problem. For all the people that jumped on the bandwagon to buy the ultimate noob smashing machine I'm glad they made the change.

[Atayu]

Yoott, on Feb 23 2012 - 19:33, said:

Weve gone through this for months now.. WG can change anything in the game they wish at anytime and don't owe anyone anything. You agree to this everytime you fast scrolled to the bottom of the Eula and clicked accept. I agree at first I was a bit miffed but having really seen no drop in my ability to cause carnage (maybe a little less reckless) or make credits I dont think its a problem. For all the people that jumped on the bandwagon to buy the ultimate noob smashing machine I'm glad they made the change.

You are right it was within there rights. I just now there are more people like me that will no longer fund the game after items we pay real money for get changed so far from what they were when we paid for them with no compensation or offer for refund in any way.
It is like going to a car lot finding a truck you like and want. You go in fill out the paper work and drive away in your new truck all happy. As soon as your final payment goes in they stop by your house and swap your fully loaded 4x4 truck for a stripped down 2wd mini truck. Then say well be happy at least we didn't swap it for a bicycle.

[Yoott]

Atayu, on Feb 23 2012 - 19:46, said:

You are right it was within there rights. I just now there are more people like me that will no longer fund the game after items we pay real money for get changed so far from what they were when we paid for them with no compensation or offer for refund in any way.
It is like going to a car lot finding a truck you like and want. You go in fill out the paper work and drive away in your new truck all happy. As soon as your final payment goes in they stop by your house and swap your fully loaded 4x4 truck for a stripped down 2wd mini truck. Then say well be happy at least we didn't swap it for a bicycle.

yeah like I said I wasnt all too happy about it as I bought mine 2 weeks before the nerf/change happened and didn't even know it was comming but still in the long run if you change how you play it you can make just as much cash,free exp as you did before. I made 6million creds this weekend just going from Lowe to 59 to lowe to 59 so I can buy my T30 and I have a few hundred k free exp if I decide to exchange it I can.  

[Atayu]

Yoott, on Feb 23 2012 - 19:49, said:

yeah like I said I wasnt all too happy about it as I bought mine 2 weeks before the nerf/change happened and didn't even know it was comming but still in the long run if you change how you play it you can make just as much cash,free exp as you did before. I made 6million creds this weekend just going from Lowe to 59 to lowe to 59 so I can buy my T30 and I have a few hundred k free exp if I decide to exchange it I can.

I still make fine credits in the tank, It just showed me there is no point in paying for gold tanks as they are just going to be changed anyways. I am going to continue to play I will just not be helping fund the game anymore.

[Ironmonger69]

Atayu, on Feb 23 2012 - 18:49, said:

Are you sure I have seen nothing but tier 10 and 11 battles since the 7.1 patch in my type-59. Although the tier 10 match's are rare to see. About 90 percent of match's my type 59 gets into have mutable tier 10's. I actually am seeing easier match's now in my t-54 witch is superior in every way except making credits. I have well over 100 match's in my type-59 since I have seen a tier 9 battle, When that is all it use to see. I still make decent money in this tank but 100k plus fights are allot less common. They are about 1 in 6 instead of 1 in 3 like before.

Positive.  Battle Tier is the only thing that determines what types of tanks you might see in a match.  This is the old:

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This is the current MM chart:

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You can see the Battle Tier spread was increased by 1 to match other Tier VIII mediums.

MM weight has nothing to do with what tanks you see, only which team you are on.  If you've really gone that long without seing a Tier 10 match, (and how you know that for certain is interesting), it's just bad luck and perception.  Also, given that the T-59 isa Tier VIII and the T-54 is a much more powerful Tier IX, of course you're having an easier time in it.

[spcfrckylem]

Ironmonger69, on Feb 23 2012 - 20:52, said:

Positive.  Battle Tier is the only thing that determines what types of tanks you might see in a match.  This is the old:

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This is the current MM chart:

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You can see the Battle Tier spread was increased by 1 to match other Tier VIII mediums.

MM weight has nothing to do with what tanks you see, only which team you are on.  If you've really gone that long without seing a Tier 10 match, (and how you know that for certain is interesting), it's just bad luck and perception.  Also, given that the T-59 isa Tier VIII and the T-54 is a much more powerful Tier IX, of course you're having an easier time in it.

Battle Tiers and MM are linked you nub!

[Danark]

spcfrckylem, on Feb 23 2012 - 21:27, said:

Battle Tiers and MM are linked you nub!

Are you being this obtuse on purpose or do you really not read what is being said? Talking weight in one post and battle tier in the other, not really the same thing as the weight will push you over the edge of your tier from time to time. Oh and the earlier comment about, "I paid to Pawn all the whiney kids and noobs.". First off it would be pwn unless you are talking about selling the whiny (notice correction there also?) kids and noobs or talking about them like they are chess pieces. Second there is NO tank in game that pwns all no matter how good your stats may be. So either way you paid for something that did not exist in the first place so your purchase was what it still is, a tier 8 medium tank of the premium variety and therefore not going to get any compensation for the change to the MM bracket it gets put into now no matter how much you whine about it. So can we let this thread get back to the original person or will you still make this about you instead of what the original post was asking?

[T4nK83]

Danark, on Feb 24 2012 - 00:28, said:

Are you being this obtuse on purpose or do you really not read what is being said? Talking weight in one post and battle tier in the other, not really the same thing as the weight will push you over the edge of your tier from time to time. Oh and the earlier comment about, "I paid to Pawn all the whiney kids and noobs.". First off it would be pwn unless you are talking about selling the whiny (notice correction there also?) kids and noobs or talking about them like they are chess pieces. Second there is NO tank in game that pwns all no matter how good your stats may be. So either way you paid for something that did not exist in the first place so your purchase was what it still is, a tier 8 medium tank of the premium variety and therefore not going to get any compensation for the change to the MM bracket it gets put into now no matter how much you whine about it. So can we let this thread get back to the original person or will you still make this about you instead of what the original post was asking?

Thank you for this Reply. +1 to you sir. But just to point it out, he is obviously trolling this thread. Why even respond to such jibberish? Stats DO NOT REFLECT skill, they reflect time in game mostly. This kid obviously has no life, and wishes to troll threads and get responses for his trolls. I appreciate the breakdown.

As a Type59 owner myself, I did't like the change at first. But I have adapted my play style from all out attack to being a bit more cautious in my tanking while on the Type. It has worked very well for me. I still on average get 1-4 kills (Average here), and also rake in 65k - 105k (Average is 75k, I think). Experience Ranges from 650 - 1400 . Which I am happy with, with my daily double thats 2800 On a good match. On a great match I can rank in 3500+

I think this is fair. They did a good deed, because the type59's were pretty much ruining the game for tier 7 & 8. Now that its 8 - 10, it makes it a whole different tank.

[BullTiger]

rtp099, on Feb 23 2012 - 19:23, said:

I have a 59 with almost 800 battles and I admit that I was quite upset by the change in MM. However, after playing it in it's new MM placing I find my playstyle has changed a bit and I can do even better as the bigger tiers provide bigger payout and xp. I find that my stats on it have marginally lowers, but I tend to play it in a more conservitive manner and I always buy gold rounds on sale and carry some as the 175 pen on the standard ammo is a little anemic in some situations.

Damaging higher tier tanks does not provide better exp and credits. This was and is a myth. See: http://forum.worldof...-tier-vehicles/ FYI. So, it's really all about damaging anything that you can pen. Spotting does provide a small amount also.

[Blackout_]

Type 59 is good for what it is. I feel it has problems since the secret nerf but it is still a good tank overall. I only hate it when I get set on fire and lose half my health even with a 90% crew.

The only other thing wrong with it would be the credit nerf. I will either make net even rarely, double what paid most of the time, and 6 times what I lost rarely.

[Quilaa]

spcfrckylem, on Feb 23 2012 - 19:14, said:

Do any of you have any comprehension to what has happened?  Before the MM change.  I would never see a tier 9 medium or a tier 10 heavy.  Now I see them almost every battle.  Facing a Patton, E-50, or a T-54 in a Type-59 is a not what I paid for!  I paid to Pawn all the whiney kids and noobs.   I want a refund for changing the product I paid for.


Do you like apples?

All of your stats are horrible.

You are not the only paying customer, and many of us other paying customers think the Type 59 is BS.  Fast as a light, hits like a heavy, damage zones the size of a dime.  We want a ballanced game, you want to "pawn ..." Go play Care Bears, pawn all you like.

[Travlla]

Quilaa, on Feb 26 2012 - 05:26, said:

You are not the only paying customer, and many of us other paying customers think the Type 59 is BS.  Fast as a light, hits like a heavy, damage zones the size of a dime.  We want a ballanced game, you want to "pawn ..." Go play Care Bears, pawn all you like.

Would you care to elaborate on "hit's like a heavy" ? You do realise the Type 59's gun has the same specs as the 100mm D10T that is found on the T-35-85 tier 6 medium? You do realise the Pershing has a much better gun? fast as a light you say,with acceleration of a slug,the Pershing out accelerates it except for going down hill,the whole side and rear are hit zones, you can pen the front of the hull,the front of the turret is very strong,so only a goose would shoot there,
But hey why let the truth get in the way of a good whine! Why don't we nerf the Lowe while we're at it ?

[lethal61]

aw_man, on Feb 23 2012 - 18:07, said:

On top of the matchmaker weight, its controversy has also caused it to receive more attention. When I see a T59 on my loading screen, I am definitely putting him at or near the top of my priority list, regardless of how high he is on the tier list.

-aw_man

I done see anything you have that will kill a type.

[BullTiger]

Quilaa, on Feb 26 2012 - 05:26, said:

You are not the only paying customer, and many of us other paying customers think the Type 59 is BS.  Fast as a light, hits like a heavy, damage zones the size of a dime.  We want a ballanced game, you want to "pawn ..." Go play Care Bears, pawn all you like.

Well, you can't still think that after the Nerf can you? The mm has really made them much less scary. Only when there are a bunch of them on one side, and I'm not in a tier 9 plus battle do I even blink now.

[steel_eater]

My type is making more credits since the mm change. Knowing weakspots means you will still get to penetrate stuff, but now with 5% more credits earned a shot.

[2_minutes_hate]

You dont "own" the virtual tank you just paid money for. You own the right to use it under WoT disgretion. WoT owns the tank and can change the tank as they see fit. READ EULA.

[Yoott]

BullTiger, on Feb 27 2012 - 09:02, said:

Well, you can't still think that after the Nerf can you? The mm has really made them much less scary. Only when there are a bunch of them on one side, and I'm not in a tier 9 plus battle do I even blink now.

They didnt nerf them at all......... All they did was fix the messed up MM rating it had putting in in way lower tier battles where it can rule unchallenged. The only nerf is that the people that only derp derp derp with it and never learned to actually drive. It can't do so now and people in the upper tier matches will fill you with holes as your not scary to them vs a group of pattons and pershings cresting the hill instead.

[Atayu]

Ironmonger69, on Feb 23 2012 - 20:52, said:

given that the T-59 is a Tier VIII and the T-54 is a much more powerful Tier IX, of course you're having an easier time in it.

Thats not what I was saying I was saying the t-54 sees weaker tanks on average on the team facing it then my type-59 dose now. The type has to face stronger tanks then the t-54 dose allot of the time anymore. Not always but the majority of the time at least for me. Most games in the t-54 there are a average of 1-3 tier 10's on the map. When I take my type-59 I am usually seeing 2-4 tier 10's in the match.

Quilaa, on Feb 26 2012 - 05:26, said:

You are not the only paying customer, and many of us other paying customers think the Type 59 is BS.  Fast as a light, hits like a heavy, damage zones the size of a dime.  We want a ballanced game, you want to "pawn ..." Go play Care Bears, pawn all you like.

Fast as lightning being the slowest accelerating tier 8 medium.

Hits like a heavy with the gun off a tier 6 medium.

Damage zones the size of a dime, LOL you mean the most ammo rack location out of every tank in the game. Also 3 engine crit locations instead of 1 or 2 like most. Equipment and crew die every time you get shot lol. More of the tank is a week spot then not.

The Type 59 now gets matched like a tier 9 medium with the performance of a tier 6 tank you can not really nerf it anymore then they have without re-classing it a tier 6 tank.

Yoott, on Feb 28 2012 - 19:24, said:

They didnt nerf them at all......... All they did was fix the messed up MM rating it had putting in in way lower tier battles where it can rule unchallenged. The only nerf is that the people that only derp derp derp with it and never learned to actually drive. It can't do so now and people in the upper tier matches will fill you with holes as your not scary to them vs a group of pattons and pershings cresting the hill instead.

Well your post makes it obvious you do not have one. anyone who drives one allot has noticed the nerfs that were not posted BY WG of the acceleration and penetration. hell mine accelerated faster with a new 75 percent crew when it was new then it dose now with a maxed out crew (in tell they release more skills). People that only use this tank 1 or 2 times a day to farm credits and don't really run the tank allot have not noticed this but players that use it allot have.

[Yoott]

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Well your post makes it obvious you do not have one. anyone who drives one allot has noticed the nerfs that were not posted BY WG of the acceleration and penetration. hell mine accelerated faster with a new 75 percent crew when it was new then it dose now with a maxed out crew (in tell they release more skills). People that only use this tank 1 or 2 times a day to farm credits and don't really run the tank allot have not noticed this but players that use it allot have.

Tank             Battles    Wins


Type 59         948          465





I run it plenty and the only difference I can see is that I cant be as kamikaze as when I first got it as the fear is gone, the MM is higher, and what used to be an automatic Wolfpack situation is now 1 in 3 that everyone runs together.

The only change needed was driving style. No nerf changes that.  I made well over 90k in a few matches yesterday against bigger enemies and had I been slower and nerfed I would not have done so.

The reality is that the T-59 was never as dangerous and people seemed to think it was once you took the MM factor out of it. Its actually close to if not the worst t-8 medium available so against higher tiers it can hold its own but its not the OP monster everyone made it out to be.Take 4 pattons or pershings and wolfpack with them and then do the same with the 59 and this is proven very quickly.

Dont rush off in some crazy 59 rush, don't go charge around a corner into a pack of heavies, don't go out alone and the 59 works great. Do any of these things and you will get blown up well before you should be.