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Smallfry122 #1 Posted Feb 24 2012 - 00:00

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The recent update by WG says the top gun for the KV-4 will be a 130mm howitzer. Considering the T30's gun was in real life, a howitzer, this opens many possibilities. Speculations?

mrasianman2 #2 Posted Feb 24 2012 - 00:24

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same gun as the is-7 and is-4 possibly? but that would be a slight bit overpowered...

scratch that...its probably gonna be a nerfed version of the is-4 and is-7 gun

Pumpkin #3 Posted Feb 24 2012 - 00:30

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It would make sense for them to have a cutoff barrel version of the 130mm S-70 from the IS-7. Just absolutely awful pen for tier 8, but great damage.

Rincer #4 Posted Feb 24 2012 - 01:51

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The gun doesn't look too short to me here;

http://worldoftanks....k-preview-kv-4/

hoom #5 Posted Feb 24 2012 - 02:42

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Howitzer is almost definitely a mistranslation from Russian.
Its most likely a conversion of B13 L/50 naval direct fire/coastal artillery Gun.

Su100Y apparently had one too.
Thats supposed to be a premium artie but the ML20 on Su8/Su152 already gives a precedent for that.


I'm hoping for 0.35-0.37 accuracy, 490 dmg & 175-200mm penetration.

I see it as a gun for ripping up T8 heavies with hull-side hits to oblivion.
Even under 175mm pen would be fine for that purpose. I do it to great effect with the 107mm.

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View Posthoom, on Feb 24 2012 - 02:42, said:

Howitzer is almost definitely a mistranslation from Russian.
Its most likely a conversion of B13 L/50 naval direct fire/coastal artillery Gun.

Su100Y apparently had one too.
Thats supposed to be a premium artie but the ML20 on Su8/Su152 already gives a precedent for that.


I'm hoping for 0.35-0.37 accuracy, 490 dmg & 175-200mm penetration.

I see it as a gun for ripping up T8 heavies with hull-side hits to oblivion.
Even under 175mm pen would be fine for that purpose. I do it to great effect with the 107mm.
that is a nerfed S-70....

hoom #7 Posted Feb 24 2012 - 05:38

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Technically S-70 would actually be an upgraded B13 I think.

Significantly reduced penetration & reduced accuracy would mean you have to play it completely differently than S-70.

Rincer #8 Posted Feb 24 2012 - 06:15

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For a heavy you need at least 200 penetration at tier 8, hopefully 225. Just listen to all the T32 owners complaining how much they bounce.

Smallfry122 #9 Posted Feb 24 2012 - 06:52

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Unless they make it a HE only gun. Except they can't do that for a tier 8......can they?  :o

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You need 200+ for penetrating hull fronts.
But if penetration is that high then it can't reasonably have 490dmg as well without unbalancing the game.

I really want that 490dmg for flank hits & I'm willing to give up frontal penetration for it.

See WontEndWell's replays here & imagine those shots doing 490dmg  :Smile-playing:

Smallfry122 #11 Posted Feb 24 2012 - 07:00

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I suppose with that 1,200 horsepower and 50km/h speed limit, the idea is for this to be a giant flanking tank?

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View PostRincer, on Feb 24 2012 - 01:51, said:

The gun doesn't look too short to me here;

http://worldoftanks....k-preview-kv-4/
I could be me, but that looks like a 107mm.

Smallfry122 #13 Posted Feb 24 2012 - 08:18

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View PostHarkonen_siegetank, on Feb 24 2012 - 07:40, said:

I could be me, but that looks like a 107mm.
I think he means the BL-9

Smallfry122 #14 Posted Feb 24 2012 - 08:53

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Personally I would like to see the specs for the 130mm gun like this:

425 Average damage (AP)
0.37 Accuracy
5.76 rounds per minute
220 penetration
3.0 second aim time

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View PostSmallfry122, on Feb 24 2012 - 07:00, said:

I suppose with that 1,200 horsepower and 50km/h speed limit, the idea is for this to be a giant flanking tank?

All depends on the torque.

But with that horsepower and the look of the gun mantlet on that upgraded turret, this thing looks to be a capable hull down fighter if the gun depression is decent enough.

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If the 130 mm  B-13 would fire the same shell as the S-70 with an average muzzle velocity @ 845 m/s then by my calculations it should have a pennetration of approximately 229 mm, but they will probably nerf it for balance purposes and I'm sure it will suffer the IS-7 syndrome

EDIT: With the slowest velocity (820 m/s) the pennetration is 215-216 mm (again if I'm right with my calculations)

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View PostNGU873X, on Feb 24 2012 - 20:34, said:

If the 130 mm  B-13 would fire the same shell as the S-70 with an average muzzle velocity @ 845 m/s then by my calculations it should have a pennetration of approximately 229 mm, but they will probably nerf it for balance purposes and I'm sure it will suffer the IS-7 syndrome

EDIT: With the slowest velocity (820 m/s) the pennetration is 215-216 mm (again if I'm right with my calculations)

I will be happy with that.

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A gun on a tier8 HT with its penetration no more than 200mm is too pathetic, no chance challenging a KT or a IS3's front armour (forget the vulnerability)
(no offense to communities of T32 commanders, but in terms of firepower, T32 is poor indeed)
but a gun with hugh dmg yet low pene, I think this is how a big cal soviet gun should be
And how expensive the ammo is to be? remember when I was driving an IS, aimed, loaded, fire, and just another ricochet……another waste of 1000+ credit
I really hate D25 family and the 130 gun turns out to be the kind of D25(low pene, poor accuracy,just hugh dmg), all I wanna say is I've FED UP WITH THAT and GO F YOUR SELF

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View PostNovaNoby, on Feb 25 2012 - 05:09, said:

A gun on a tier8 HT with its penetration no more than 200mm is too pathetic, no chance challenging a KT or a IS3's front armour (forget the vulnerability)
(no offense to communities of T32 commanders, but in terms of firepower, T32 is poor indeed)
but a gun with hugh dmg yet low pene, I think this is how a big cal soviet gun should be
And how expensive the ammo is to be? remember when I was driving an IS, aimed, loaded, fire, and just another ricochet……another waste of 1000+ credit
I really hate D25 family and the 130 gun turns out to be the kind of D25(low pene, poor accuracy,just hugh dmg), all I wanna say is I've FED UP WITH THAT and GO F YOUR SELF

Except just about any tank can hit and pen the KT's lower glacis without issue, and the IS-3 is only an issue at extreme ranges from straight on due to the nose.  At any sort of angle at mid ranges it is again easily penetrated.  If you can't pen 8/10 shots with the D25 you need target practice.

Oh wait you're a dummy account anyway, so clearly you have no idea what you're talking about.

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D25T can't pen KT's lower glacis if the RNG isn't in a happy mood...