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Smallfry122's Photo Smallfry122 Feb 24 2012

The recent update by WG says the top gun for the KV-4 will be a 130mm howitzer. Considering the T30's gun was in real life, a howitzer, this opens many possibilities. Speculations?
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mrasianman2's Photo mrasianman2 Feb 24 2012

same gun as the is-7 and is-4 possibly? but that would be a slight bit overpowered...

scratch that...its probably gonna be a nerfed version of the is-4 and is-7 gun
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Pumpkin's Photo Pumpkin Feb 24 2012

It would make sense for them to have a cutoff barrel version of the 130mm S-70 from the IS-7. Just absolutely awful pen for tier 8, but great damage.
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Rincer's Photo Rincer Feb 24 2012

The gun doesn't look too short to me here;

http://worldoftanks....k-preview-kv-4/
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hoom's Photo hoom Feb 24 2012

Howitzer is almost definitely a mistranslation from Russian.
Its most likely a conversion of B13 L/50 naval direct fire/coastal artillery Gun.

Su100Y apparently had one too.
Thats supposed to be a premium artie but the ML20 on Su8/Su152 already gives a precedent for that.


I'm hoping for 0.35-0.37 accuracy, 490 dmg & 175-200mm penetration.

I see it as a gun for ripping up T8 heavies with hull-side hits to oblivion.
Even under 175mm pen would be fine for that purpose. I do it to great effect with the 107mm.
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TK3600's Photo TK3600 Feb 24 2012

 hoom, on Feb 24 2012 - 02:42, said:

Howitzer is almost definitely a mistranslation from Russian.
Its most likely a conversion of B13 L/50 naval direct fire/coastal artillery Gun.

Su100Y apparently had one too.
Thats supposed to be a premium artie but the ML20 on Su8/Su152 already gives a precedent for that.


I'm hoping for 0.35-0.37 accuracy, 490 dmg & 175-200mm penetration.

I see it as a gun for ripping up T8 heavies with hull-side hits to oblivion.
Even under 175mm pen would be fine for that purpose. I do it to great effect with the 107mm.
that is a nerfed S-70....
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hoom's Photo hoom Feb 24 2012

Technically S-70 would actually be an upgraded B13 I think.

Significantly reduced penetration & reduced accuracy would mean you have to play it completely differently than S-70.
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Rincer's Photo Rincer Feb 24 2012

For a heavy you need at least 200 penetration at tier 8, hopefully 225. Just listen to all the T32 owners complaining how much they bounce.
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Smallfry122's Photo Smallfry122 Feb 24 2012

Unless they make it a HE only gun. Except they can't do that for a tier 8......can they?  :o
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hoom's Photo hoom Feb 24 2012

You need 200+ for penetrating hull fronts.
But if penetration is that high then it can't reasonably have 490dmg as well without unbalancing the game.

I really want that 490dmg for flank hits & I'm willing to give up frontal penetration for it.

See WontEndWell's replays here & imagine those shots doing 490dmg  :Smile-playing:
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Smallfry122's Photo Smallfry122 Feb 24 2012

I suppose with that 1,200 horsepower and 50km/h speed limit, the idea is for this to be a giant flanking tank?
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Harkonen_siegetank's Photo Harkonen_siegetank Feb 24 2012

 Rincer, on Feb 24 2012 - 01:51, said:

The gun doesn't look too short to me here;

http://worldoftanks....k-preview-kv-4/
I could be me, but that looks like a 107mm.
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Smallfry122's Photo Smallfry122 Feb 24 2012

 Harkonen_siegetank, on Feb 24 2012 - 07:40, said:

I could be me, but that looks like a 107mm.
I think he means the BL-9
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Smallfry122's Photo Smallfry122 Feb 24 2012

Personally I would like to see the specs for the 130mm gun like this:

425 Average damage (AP)
0.37 Accuracy
5.76 rounds per minute
220 penetration
3.0 second aim time
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Shivus's Photo Shivus Feb 24 2012

 Smallfry122, on Feb 24 2012 - 07:00, said:

I suppose with that 1,200 horsepower and 50km/h speed limit, the idea is for this to be a giant flanking tank?

All depends on the torque.

But with that horsepower and the look of the gun mantlet on that upgraded turret, this thing looks to be a capable hull down fighter if the gun depression is decent enough.
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NGU873X's Photo NGU873X Feb 24 2012

If the 130 mm  B-13 would fire the same shell as the S-70 with an average muzzle velocity @ 845 m/s then by my calculations it should have a pennetration of approximately 229 mm, but they will probably nerf it for balance purposes and I'm sure it will suffer the IS-7 syndrome

EDIT: With the slowest velocity (820 m/s) the pennetration is 215-216 mm (again if I'm right with my calculations)
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Rincer's Photo Rincer Feb 24 2012

 NGU873X, on Feb 24 2012 - 20:34, said:

If the 130 mm  B-13 would fire the same shell as the S-70 with an average muzzle velocity @ 845 m/s then by my calculations it should have a pennetration of approximately 229 mm, but they will probably nerf it for balance purposes and I'm sure it will suffer the IS-7 syndrome

EDIT: With the slowest velocity (820 m/s) the pennetration is 215-216 mm (again if I'm right with my calculations)

I will be happy with that.
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NovaNoby's Photo NovaNoby Feb 25 2012

A gun on a tier8 HT with its penetration no more than 200mm is too pathetic, no chance challenging a KT or a IS3's front armour (forget the vulnerability)
(no offense to communities of T32 commanders, but in terms of firepower, T32 is poor indeed)
but a gun with hugh dmg yet low pene, I think this is how a big cal soviet gun should be
And how expensive the ammo is to be? remember when I was driving an IS, aimed, loaded, fire, and just another ricochet……another waste of 1000+ credit
I really hate D25 family and the 130 gun turns out to be the kind of D25(low pene, poor accuracy,just hugh dmg), all I wanna say is I've FED UP WITH THAT and GO F YOUR SELF
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Shivus's Photo Shivus Feb 25 2012

 NovaNoby, on Feb 25 2012 - 05:09, said:

A gun on a tier8 HT with its penetration no more than 200mm is too pathetic, no chance challenging a KT or a IS3's front armour (forget the vulnerability)
(no offense to communities of T32 commanders, but in terms of firepower, T32 is poor indeed)
but a gun with hugh dmg yet low pene, I think this is how a big cal soviet gun should be
And how expensive the ammo is to be? remember when I was driving an IS, aimed, loaded, fire, and just another ricochet……another waste of 1000+ credit
I really hate D25 family and the 130 gun turns out to be the kind of D25(low pene, poor accuracy,just hugh dmg), all I wanna say is I've FED UP WITH THAT and GO F YOUR SELF

Except just about any tank can hit and pen the KT's lower glacis without issue, and the IS-3 is only an issue at extreme ranges from straight on due to the nose.  At any sort of angle at mid ranges it is again easily penetrated.  If you can't pen 8/10 shots with the D25 you need target practice.

Oh wait you're a dummy account anyway, so clearly you have no idea what you're talking about.
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cardgame's Photo cardgame Feb 25 2012

D25T can't pen KT's lower glacis if the RNG isn't in a happy mood...
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