KV-4 gun
Smallfry122
Feb 24 2012
The recent update by WG says the top gun for the KV-4 will be a 130mm howitzer. Considering the T30's gun was in real life, a howitzer, this opens many possibilities. Speculations?
mrasianman2
Feb 24 2012
same gun as the is-7 and is-4 possibly? but that would be a slight bit overpowered...
scratch that...its probably gonna be a nerfed version of the is-4 and is-7 gun
scratch that...its probably gonna be a nerfed version of the is-4 and is-7 gun
Pumpkin
Feb 24 2012
It would make sense for them to have a cutoff barrel version of the 130mm S-70 from the IS-7. Just absolutely awful pen for tier 8, but great damage.
Rincer
Feb 24 2012
hoom
Feb 24 2012
Howitzer is almost definitely a mistranslation from Russian.
Its most likely a conversion of B13 L/50 naval direct fire/coastal artillery Gun.
Su100Y apparently had one too.
Thats supposed to be a premium artie but the ML20 on Su8/Su152 already gives a precedent for that.
I'm hoping for 0.35-0.37 accuracy, 490 dmg & 175-200mm penetration.
I see it as a gun for ripping up T8 heavies with hull-side hits to oblivion.
Even under 175mm pen would be fine for that purpose. I do it to great effect with the 107mm.
Its most likely a conversion of B13 L/50 naval direct fire/coastal artillery Gun.
Su100Y apparently had one too.
Thats supposed to be a premium artie but the ML20 on Su8/Su152 already gives a precedent for that.
I'm hoping for 0.35-0.37 accuracy, 490 dmg & 175-200mm penetration.
I see it as a gun for ripping up T8 heavies with hull-side hits to oblivion.
Even under 175mm pen would be fine for that purpose. I do it to great effect with the 107mm.
TK3600
Feb 24 2012
hoom, on Feb 24 2012 - 02:42, said:
Howitzer is almost definitely a mistranslation from Russian.
Its most likely a conversion of B13 L/50 naval direct fire/coastal artillery Gun.
Su100Y apparently had one too.
Thats supposed to be a premium artie but the ML20 on Su8/Su152 already gives a precedent for that.
I'm hoping for 0.35-0.37 accuracy, 490 dmg & 175-200mm penetration.
I see it as a gun for ripping up T8 heavies with hull-side hits to oblivion.
Even under 175mm pen would be fine for that purpose. I do it to great effect with the 107mm.
Its most likely a conversion of B13 L/50 naval direct fire/coastal artillery Gun.
Su100Y apparently had one too.
Thats supposed to be a premium artie but the ML20 on Su8/Su152 already gives a precedent for that.
I'm hoping for 0.35-0.37 accuracy, 490 dmg & 175-200mm penetration.
I see it as a gun for ripping up T8 heavies with hull-side hits to oblivion.
Even under 175mm pen would be fine for that purpose. I do it to great effect with the 107mm.
hoom
Feb 24 2012
Technically S-70 would actually be an upgraded B13 I think.
Significantly reduced penetration & reduced accuracy would mean you have to play it completely differently than S-70.
Significantly reduced penetration & reduced accuracy would mean you have to play it completely differently than S-70.
Rincer
Feb 24 2012
For a heavy you need at least 200 penetration at tier 8, hopefully 225. Just listen to all the T32 owners complaining how much they bounce.
Smallfry122
Feb 24 2012
Unless they make it a HE only gun. Except they can't do that for a tier 8......can they?
hoom
Feb 24 2012
You need 200+ for penetrating hull fronts.
But if penetration is that high then it can't reasonably have 490dmg as well without unbalancing the game.
I really want that 490dmg for flank hits & I'm willing to give up frontal penetration for it.
See WontEndWell's replays here & imagine those shots doing 490dmg
But if penetration is that high then it can't reasonably have 490dmg as well without unbalancing the game.
I really want that 490dmg for flank hits & I'm willing to give up frontal penetration for it.
See WontEndWell's replays here & imagine those shots doing 490dmg
Smallfry122
Feb 24 2012
I suppose with that 1,200 horsepower and 50km/h speed limit, the idea is for this to be a giant flanking tank?
Harkonen_siegetank
Feb 24 2012
Smallfry122
Feb 24 2012
Smallfry122
Feb 24 2012
Personally I would like to see the specs for the 130mm gun like this:
425 Average damage (AP)
0.37 Accuracy
5.76 rounds per minute
220 penetration
3.0 second aim time
425 Average damage (AP)
0.37 Accuracy
5.76 rounds per minute
220 penetration
3.0 second aim time
Shivus
Feb 24 2012
Smallfry122, on Feb 24 2012 - 07:00, said:
I suppose with that 1,200 horsepower and 50km/h speed limit, the idea is for this to be a giant flanking tank?
All depends on the torque.
But with that horsepower and the look of the gun mantlet on that upgraded turret, this thing looks to be a capable hull down fighter if the gun depression is decent enough.
NGU873X
Feb 24 2012
If the 130 mm B-13 would fire the same shell as the S-70 with an average muzzle velocity @ 845 m/s then by my calculations it should have a pennetration of approximately 229 mm, but they will probably nerf it for balance purposes and I'm sure it will suffer the IS-7 syndrome
EDIT: With the slowest velocity (820 m/s) the pennetration is 215-216 mm (again if I'm right with my calculations)
EDIT: With the slowest velocity (820 m/s) the pennetration is 215-216 mm (again if I'm right with my calculations)
Rincer
Feb 24 2012
NGU873X, on Feb 24 2012 - 20:34, said:
If the 130 mm B-13 would fire the same shell as the S-70 with an average muzzle velocity @ 845 m/s then by my calculations it should have a pennetration of approximately 229 mm, but they will probably nerf it for balance purposes and I'm sure it will suffer the IS-7 syndrome
EDIT: With the slowest velocity (820 m/s) the pennetration is 215-216 mm (again if I'm right with my calculations)
EDIT: With the slowest velocity (820 m/s) the pennetration is 215-216 mm (again if I'm right with my calculations)
I will be happy with that.
NovaNoby
Feb 25 2012
A gun on a tier8 HT with its penetration no more than 200mm is too pathetic, no chance challenging a KT or a IS3's front armour (forget the vulnerability)
(no offense to communities of T32 commanders, but in terms of firepower, T32 is poor indeed)
but a gun with hugh dmg yet low pene, I think this is how a big cal soviet gun should be
And how expensive the ammo is to be? remember when I was driving an IS, aimed, loaded, fire, and just another ricochet……another waste of 1000+ credit
I really hate D25 family and the 130 gun turns out to be the kind of D25(low pene, poor accuracy,just hugh dmg), all I wanna say is I've FED UP WITH THAT and GO F YOUR SELF
(no offense to communities of T32 commanders, but in terms of firepower, T32 is poor indeed)
but a gun with hugh dmg yet low pene, I think this is how a big cal soviet gun should be
And how expensive the ammo is to be? remember when I was driving an IS, aimed, loaded, fire, and just another ricochet……another waste of 1000+ credit
I really hate D25 family and the 130 gun turns out to be the kind of D25(low pene, poor accuracy,just hugh dmg), all I wanna say is I've FED UP WITH THAT and GO F YOUR SELF
Shivus
Feb 25 2012
NovaNoby, on Feb 25 2012 - 05:09, said:
A gun on a tier8 HT with its penetration no more than 200mm is too pathetic, no chance challenging a KT or a IS3's front armour (forget the vulnerability)
(no offense to communities of T32 commanders, but in terms of firepower, T32 is poor indeed)
but a gun with hugh dmg yet low pene, I think this is how a big cal soviet gun should be
And how expensive the ammo is to be? remember when I was driving an IS, aimed, loaded, fire, and just another ricochet……another waste of 1000+ credit
I really hate D25 family and the 130 gun turns out to be the kind of D25(low pene, poor accuracy,just hugh dmg), all I wanna say is I've FED UP WITH THAT and GO F YOUR SELF
(no offense to communities of T32 commanders, but in terms of firepower, T32 is poor indeed)
but a gun with hugh dmg yet low pene, I think this is how a big cal soviet gun should be
And how expensive the ammo is to be? remember when I was driving an IS, aimed, loaded, fire, and just another ricochet……another waste of 1000+ credit
I really hate D25 family and the 130 gun turns out to be the kind of D25(low pene, poor accuracy,just hugh dmg), all I wanna say is I've FED UP WITH THAT and GO F YOUR SELF
Except just about any tank can hit and pen the KT's lower glacis without issue, and the IS-3 is only an issue at extreme ranges from straight on due to the nose. At any sort of angle at mid ranges it is again easily penetrated. If you can't pen 8/10 shots with the D25 you need target practice.
Oh wait you're a dummy account anyway, so clearly you have no idea what you're talking about.


