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[Dominatus]

D25T can't pen an IS-3 from most ranges unless it's angled.

[Smallfry122]

Oooookay back on topic......this thread is about the KV-4's 130mm gun.  

[hoom]

Well I think discussion of D-25T is relevant since this 130mm is being speculated to be essentially a damage bumped D-25T.
Namely: can a 175mm penetration relatively low accuracy gun be effective in a T8 Heavy.

Having just obtained a KV5, I think it can be very effective but its not going to be an 'easy mode' tank.
Players who can get into good positions/find themselves against noob T8 Heavies will do well but its likely to have low effectiveness vs T9 Heavies in general & well played T8 Heavies unless the penetration is up close to 200mm.

[BrackDynamite]

 Smallfry122, on Feb 24 2012 - 08:53, said:

Personally I would like to see the specs for the 130mm gun like this:

425 Average damage (AP)
0.37 Accuracy
5.76 rounds per minute
220 penetration
3.0 second aim time

That would be pretty overpowered...

[NergiZed]

If KV-4's getting a nerfed S70 130mm gun, is the IS-8 and ST-1 gonna get that gun or the S70? Premium IS-6 (object 252) is confirmed in getting a BL-9.

Wonder how it will compare with the other Soviet tier 8 and 9 heavies coming in. (KV-4 versus IS8 versus ST-1 versus premium IS-6 (object 252)) Should be interesting, and I know I'm gonna try to collect them all.

[xiantom]

 Smallfry122, on Feb 24 2012 - 08:53, said:

Personally I would like to see the specs for the 130mm gun like this:

425 Average damage (AP)
0.37 Accuracy
5.76 rounds per minute
220 penetration
3.0 second aim time

That would be quite overpowered.

[Dominatus]

 NergiZed, on Feb 29 2012 - 01:44, said:

If KV-4's getting a nerfed S70 130mm gun, is the IS-8 and ST-1 gonna get that gun or the S70? Premium IS-6 (object 252) is confirmed in getting a BL-9.

Wonder how it will compare with the other Soviet tier 8 and 9 heavies coming in. (KV-4 versus IS8 versus ST-1 versus premium IS-6 (object 252)) Should be interesting, and I know I'm gonna try to collect them all.

IS-8 will have a "modern" 122mm gun. IS-6 also will not have the BL-9, the images of it with such gun were early test images for when it was still supposed to be a tier 9 heavy.

[Smallfry122]

 xiantom, on Feb 29 2012 - 01:46, said:

That would be quite overpowered.

It's a Russian tank, remember?  

[xiantom]

 Smallfry122, on Feb 29 2012 - 09:56, said:

It's a Russian tank, remember?  

That gun is more OP than BL-9...

[cardgame]

Whatever the stats are, if it has sub-200 penetration the tank will be worthless. At least the T32 has hull-down advantage, accuracy (I think) and some mobility.

[Antosha_]

KV-4 isn't getting 130, it's getting BL-9

http://wot-news.com/...php?f=3&t=1166

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Djak0n [НК]: В позапрошлом выпуске нашего журнала мой коллега уже рассказывал о КВ-4. И информация о том, что его топовое орудие будет иметь калибр в 130 мм, вызвало не мало интереса. Что же это за орудие? Расскажи немного о комплектации КВ-4.

Михаил [WG]: Никакого орудия 130мм на КВ-4 не будет. Это ошибка. Топовым орудием КВ-4 сейчас планируется хорошо известная 122мм БЛ-9.

[zap123]

 Shivus, on Feb 25 2012 - 08:38, said:

Except just about any tank can hit and pen the KT's lower glacis without issue, and the IS-3 is only an issue at extreme ranges from straight on due to the nose.  At any sort of angle at mid ranges it is again easily penetrated.  If you can't pen 8/10 shots with the D25 you need target practice.

Oh wait you're a dummy account anyway, so clearly you have no idea what you're talking about.

The T32 will struggle to pen the KT lower glacis regularly.  At range your pen is too low and close the angle becomes too great...if you get a perfectly perpendicular shot at around 70m you are a good chance, but otherwise "that didn't go through" is what you'll hear.  KT you pretty much have to go for the cupola front on, which is a tough shot over say 150m.

IS-3 is pretty hard to penetrate if it is perfectly front on to you at all but point blank range.  A tiny angle makes a huge difference though.

D25....you'll be lucky to make 8/10 shots on a mobile target!  You will certainly struggle to hit a weakspot at anything over 50m.  Penetration is then optional.

[zap123]

 gabriel, on Mar 05 2012 - 00:38, said:

KV-4 isn't getting 130, it's getting BL-9

http://wot-news.com/...php?f=3&t=1166

BL-9 is a good gun.  I'm happy with that.  Now, lets see the tank

[Silty]

Seems like it would be OP with the BL-9.  It already has better armor than the awkward IS-3 pikenose, and it seems like they are also going to give it a higher speed limit with a similar hp/ton ratio.

[NergiZed]

 zap123, on Mar 05 2012 - 01:54, said:

BL-9 is a good gun.  I'm happy with that.  Now, lets see the tank

Well, there's already pics of the tank.

Not sure how I feel about this news though, this basically means that most if not all the tier 8 and 9 heavies for Russia will get the BL-9, even the premium IS-6 is getting a nerfed BL-9 variant (or maybe this is outdated information? Is the IS-6 stuck with the D-25 now?) That would be disappointing.

I guess it would be nice that everyone gets the same top-gun, but I would love for WG to introduce some variety to the game via more unique and interesting guns. KV-4's pretty much a made-up tank anyways, even on the blueprints it was never supposed to have anything more than the 107 ZiS-6.

Variations on other modules are just annoying and a waste of time, but variations on guns introduces a lot of different game-play options. This already plagues the German tree already, pretty much everyone goes the Tiger(H)=>KT=>E-75=>E-100 these days. I still see Tiger(P)s, prolly due to it's beastly front armor, but Ausf. A's or B's are pretty rare these days. This is going to happen the one of the Soviet lines as well if there's no gun variation.

Whatever, I guess I shouldn't care that much, I'll have all of them regardless.

[hoom]

Disappointed & relieved at the same time.
BL9 is excellent.
It will ensure KV4 is able to put out hurt on the other T8s, T9s & even T10s.

But I was really looking forward to smashing Lowes etc with 175-200mm penetration, 490 damage gun.
Just having BL9 will be kinda boring really.

[NergiZed]

Yeah, if there are no new guns available, the the only things I'll be able to grind for is turrets and tracks. Doesn't offer much intensive to play, especially if it's same-y with other styles of play for other tanks.

[Antosha_]

BL-9 is a loss for variety,

But the gun is so amazing, I can't really be upset.
I mean,,,,it's good.  90 games in the IS-3 so far, about 60 mediocre games with the 100mm - and 30 games into the BL-9 have already pushed my total dam/game above 2100. I honestly think it'll eventually settle north of 2500. The worst handicap of the gun is reload, and the bad guys have an awful nice way of letting you take cover and pump in another shot.

[TK3600]

i am thinking 680 damage and 120 pen, but fires HE and HEAT only. accuracy will be about 0.38 i guess. RoF will be slightly higher than S-70.

[Silty]

 TK3600, on Mar 08 2012 - 03:17, said:

i am thinking 680 damage and 120 pen, but fires HE and HEAT only. accuracy will be about 0.38 i guess. RoF will be slightly higher than S-70.

That sounds pretty bad.  If a tier 8 heavy tank has to rely on a derp, anything worse than KV derp is just unacceptable.

But either way, it won't happen.  Because:

 gabriel, on Mar 05 2012 - 00:38, said:

KV-4 isn't getting 130, it's getting BL-9

http://wot-news.com/...php?f=3&t=1166