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I love playing my type 59 and I'm thinking about advancing up the soviet medium line...but I'm looking for something with a similar feel.  Any suggestions?

Type 59 is similar to a T-54. the T-54 gets up to speed faster and has decent armor and fire power. Id say if you like the type 59 then go for the T-54!

Archimedes, on Mar 01 2012 - 04:11, said:

if you like the Type 59 you will love the T-44(especially now since it has a better engine and the LB-1) and you will worship the
T-54(you will realize that the players that compare the Type to the T-54 have no clue what they are talking about)

Thank you for the advice...soviet tree it shall be

VonStryker, on Mar 01 2012 - 04:24, said:

When you get a few upgrades for t44 it will be almost as good as the type 59.  The stock t44 is no way near as good but once you get it elited it will outshine the type 59.  Im playing through it now and trying not to spend any free experience on it but it can be a little frustating.  Can't really comment on the t54 as I have yet to play it.

Type 59 is the sub par T-54 version the Russians sold to china. Your gonna love it

Huckleberry4u, on Mar 01 2012 - 04:35, said:

the T-54 is a much much better tank, in every way

VonStryker, on Mar 01 2012 - 05:21, said:

Agreed. Can't wait to play it.  The only experience I have is against it and it stomping on my type 59 and t44

Don't expect nearly as many bounces on T-44 though.

The T-44 is more of a speed tanker then the Type is, the Type has MUCH better armor then the T-44. You will feel much more vulnerable in the T-44 then you do in the Type and you have a lower top speed, however almost nothing in game can out turn you in a dogfight due to the insane power-to-weight ratio the T-44 has. And the LB-1 is much more accurate then the Type's gun.

So, TL:DR. The T-44 is more of a sniper and a support medium to the Type as it cannot whether hits as well.

thank you all for the advice...I shall indeed pursue the t-44 and on...

Archimedes, on Mar 02 2012 - 01:59, said:

I wish you luck! They're a lot of fun and if you ever need more advice you know where to ask.

Good hunting!

The quick version? TheType 59 is a watered down T-54 that makes tons of credits. The T-54 is everything  you'd want out of a Type 59, although it bleeds credits like you wouldn't believe, and it brutal to play stock. As for the T-44, it's more effective overall than the Type 59 except at a 1 on 1 dogfight.


THE LONG VERSION

Compared to the T44, the Type is less agile and has less firepower once the T44 gets an LB-1. In exchange, the Type gets an annoyingly large amount of armor, particularly in the turret, and a lower profile. If it wasn't for that armor I'd say a T44 would be superior in every way, but in practice I've found that this ism't the case. One on one fighting a Type 59 has a good chance to bounce a 175 penetration gun, so in a dogfight the Type 59 is still a better tank

HOWEVER, the T-44 is more mobile, so as long as you avoid enemy Types you can actually do a lot more damage. Since the worth of a tank is often measured by how helpful it is at working in a team, the T-44 gives a team quite a lot of tactical utility. As part of a team unit the T-44 has more of what you'll need in a medium tank to maximize damage.


And as for the T-54, I can see the comparison. They have similar amounts of armor, and the same profile. But that's where the analogy ends. I'd go as far as to say that the T-54 offers an almost 100% improvement in mobility, and the firepower increase is phenomenal. As long as you aren't stupid and continually Zerg-rush your opposition the T-54 could possibly contend for best medium tank in the game,

Word of caution though: the 100mm gun was overkill at tier 6, incredible at tier 7, passable at tier 8, but by tier 9 it's woefully underpowered. I made the grind for the top gun before the LB-1 was given to the T-44, and I must say that it was the longest, most expensive grind in my WoT career. You WILL lose credits. I think that at one point my Win:Loss ratio was around 35%. This is typical according to a lot of players I've talked to, but eventually you will get a gun that isn't a complete failure (it only takes around 100k XP...). I had actually gotten so annoyed that I sold it, but rebought it after getting a lot of practice in the Type 59. One good idea is to alternate play between the T54 and the Type 59....the Type acts like practice tank to some degree and helps make up for heavy losses you'll probably have.

Panzer4life, on Mar 02 2012 - 18:13, said:

I did my T-54 grind at the same time and you're absolutely correct. I was actually waiting for the patch to introduce the LB-1, but got so sick of not playing my T-54 (it was new to me and I liked it!) that I eventually just ground out the LB-1 on it as well as the tracks, engine and turret all before getting the top gun. My win rate was AWFUL. I was actually ashamed of it. Had it fully upgraded for a hot minute now and I've pulled the win rate out of the abyss. The T-54 is probably my absolute favorite tank to play right now... with the T-44 as a close second.

VonStryker, on Mar 01 2012 - 05:21, said:

Only thing T-54 strangely lack compared to Type59 is the gun depression.  I find Type59 more easier than T-54 to place into hull down position.

Other than that i agree with with better tank in every way.

Also i still think type59 play more like a T-54 than a T-44. Hull down is a clear defensive advantage that T-44 can't exploit at 100% with that weaker turret. But still by a small margin. Other than that they feel fast with lucky frontal armor that can be everywhere on the map.

The Type 59 plays slightly differently than the T-44.
The less horse power and good turret armor along with better gun depression  has you looking for hull down situations, which would be useless with the -44.

The -54 combines the best of both, good speed and good turret armor .

Archimedes, on Mar 01 2012 - 04:11, said:

look at it from this point of veiw

the T59 is about as good as a half upgraded T44, but the styles are about the same. and the T54 is so much better then both is almost funny

EDIT : wow Neg rep for this ??, man some people on these forums are tools lol

I drove both tanks a ton, and here's my view of it.

- T44 does not turn as well as type 59. Despite a better power to weight ratio and higher traverse speed; the t44's lower passability results in more speed bleeding when turning, making it actually less agile when fighting close range dogfights.

- T44 is a lot more accurate than type 59. It is easy to nail weak spots on a tank 300m away with a t44 (due to both a more accurate gun and a higher shell velocity), while a type would often miss altogether.

- T44 climbs hills faster than type 59. You get to the hill top of malinovka 6 seconds sooner!

- T44 has a slightly lower top speed than type.

- Type is highly resistant to 175mm pen shells on the hull, the t44 isn't as fortunate, and will get penned repeatedly even when angled.

- T44 has an inpenetrable mantlet now, which will auto bounce any gun (and it is where autoaim points at). Type will get frequently penned in the same spot and loose turret ring when facing guns of 240mm+ pen.


As far as play style concerned, the two tanks are not similar. Type is excellent at exploiting weaker tanks, but is reduced to passive spotter status when facing a mob of tier 9/10s unless an opening arise. T-44 will perform relatively consistant against any opponent, be it tier 5 or 10; but will never, ever get to roflstomp even when only facing tier 5 - 6s.

If I am in a match with only tier 8s and under, I would much prefer to be in a type 59 than a t44. If I am in a match with mostly tier 7 - 9s, either tank would do, the result is similar. If I am in a tank with almost all tier 9s and 10s, I would much prefer to be in a t44.

steel_eater, on Mar 03 2012 - 18:09, said:

I agree with this only I'm not having any issues with turning in my T-44, I find it easy to out turn Types in it.

The Type play style is pretty unique. For the matchmaking it gets it has a very hard front turret and hull, adequately fast, and an under performing gun. (t44 is very fast and low armor, 54 comparative to its tier matching loses armor and is very fast)

These characteristics point me to a few similar tanks.

The VK 4502 (P)
and a couple other premiums, t-127, maybe ram-ii