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PzGrenKdr #21 Posted Sep 17 2010 - 09:54

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1st your pic show composit armour(Verbundpanzer in german), no spaced armour(called "Vorpanzer" in german)
2nd It´s a fake/idea of model builder Sebastian Nast for the fantasy "Heer `47"(Army `47)
3rd a E-90 is only fanatsy by Sebastain Nast.

chickenpie65 #22 Posted Sep 17 2010 - 14:32

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View PostPzGrenKdr, on Sep 17 2010 - 09:54, said:

1st your pic show composit armour(Verbundpanzer in german), no spaced armour(called "Vorpanzer" in german)
2nd It´s a fake/idea of model builder Sebastian Nast for the fantasy "Heer `47"(Army `47)
3rd a E-90 is only fanatsy by Sebastain Nast.

FUUUU You just ruined my childhood

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Screw this guy Sebastian nast, his posts seemed to be so well-conceived and     believable...

Always wondered, why the Germans didn't use this "Schottpanzerung" on the Maus or even the finished E-100 chassis if they designed it 1944 already...  <_<  
too good to be true :/

Midnitewolf #23 Posted Sep 18 2010 - 03:44

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I can see the OPs point to a degree.  Right now when playing my KV-3, IS or Tiger, I don't fear any of the German Tanks even the dreaded Mouse. However I see that I am facing an IS-4 or IS-7 and Im like "Oh shit guess I am dead".  

However, we kinda need to adopt a wait and see attitude about things since there a many more tanks planned than released.  For example the fact that alot of the German designs not immplemented yet were only in prototype or concept stages of development means that the game designers have a bit of and "Artistic License" so to speak, which they can use on these tanks.  Basically they aren't limited to 100% historical or factual preformance characteristics on these models and if they are willing, could design them to compete on even footing with the current Russian tanks.

Also we haven't seen the American tanks roll unto the field yet.  It is possible (though unlikely in my opinion) that the American tanks may very well end up dominating the battlefield at which point everyone will be saying "Ban the American Tanks!!!"

Anyway, that is where the wait and see comes in.  Hopefully they will be releasing new tanks weekly or at least monthly to make things more interesting.

JoelCab #24 Posted Sep 18 2010 - 07:39

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Can't wait to blow up shermans with my 88 :Smile-playing:

Tiny #25 Posted Sep 22 2010 - 20:42

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Well, what about the 173mm KWK44 ?

Boom, bye bye IS-4.

chickenpie65 #26 Posted Sep 22 2010 - 21:41

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View PostTiny, on Sep 22 2010 - 20:42, said:

Well, what about the 173mm KWK44 ?

Boom, bye bye IS-4.

no shit bro, even the 8,8cm kwk43 of the Tiger II could already penetrate 300mm vertical armour firing APCR rounds. And so can the 128mm and all other higher calibred anti tank guns too! ;)

theta0123 #27 Posted Sep 22 2010 - 22:48

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View Postchickenpie65, on Sep 22 2010 - 21:41, said:

no shit bro, even the 8,8cm kwk43 of the Tiger II could already penetrate 300mm vertical armour firing APCR rounds. And so can the 128mm and all other higher calibred anti tank guns too! ;)
238mm not 300mm and thats at the closest range

PzGrenKdr #28 Posted Sep 22 2010 - 23:24

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View Posttheta0123, on Sep 22 2010 - 22:48, said:

238mm not 300mm and thats at the closest range
against 30° Plate, at 90° it´s 311mm.

theta0123 #29 Posted Sep 22 2010 - 23:49

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View PostPzGrenKdr, on Sep 22 2010 - 23:24, said:

against 30° Plate, at 90° it´s 311mm.
since you asked SOURCE everytime to me!
SOURCE PLX!

PzGrenKdr #30 Posted Sep 22 2010 - 23:59

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View Posttheta0123, on Sep 22 2010 - 23:49, said:

since you asked SOURCE everytime to me!
SOURCE PLX!

"Der Panzer VI Tiger und seine Abarten" from  Hilary L. Doyle, Walter J. Spielberger, Thomas Jentz


edit: Wiki say the same!(wonder)

you ask for a source that the 238mm are at 30° and 311mm at 90°, or?

Tiny #31 Posted Sep 23 2010 - 17:55

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View Postchickenpie65, on Sep 22 2010 - 21:41, said:

no shit bro, even the 8,8cm kwk43 of the Tiger II could already penetrate 300mm vertical armour firing APCR rounds. And so can the 128mm and all other higher calibred anti tank guns too! ;)

I meant the 173mm

PzGrenKdr #32 Posted Sep 23 2010 - 18:05

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View PostTiny, on Sep 23 2010 - 17:55, said:

I meant the 173mm
???

you mean the 172-mm K18, which isn´t ingame?

Tiny #33 Posted Sep 23 2010 - 21:06

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Well, I'm no expert, but at least according to wikipedia :rolleyes:  there was a 149mm and a 173mm in the works. I guess it wouldn't be impossible for World of Tanks to stretch its imagination a bit in the future.   :rolleyes:

http://en.wikipedia....ampfwagen_E-100


Also interesting read:

http://strangevehicl... .........check out that Löwe tank

Hyena #34 Posted Sep 26 2010 - 21:43

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If the Russians get to have their crazy prototypes then so should the Germans- It may look ugly put I'd put my vote down for the Pzkpfw X (http://gfx-storage.c...ource/pzx1a.htm) Granted it was purely for propaganda but who cares :P With that body I'd love to see Russian players moaning about ricocheting shells for a change.

SpectreHD #35 Posted Sep 26 2010 - 22:19

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View PostBigBadVuk, on Sep 14 2010 - 13:46, said:

WoT covers period of WWII and POST WWII up to Korean War.

So why does the US tree not have the M46 Patton?


On topic, as with my other posts in this Heavy Tank sub forum, most of the problems with the German heavies (Tiger and Tiger 2 and even JagdTiger) would be solved if they could have their speed buffed to close to what they had historically.

That and the 10.5cm ammo cost needs to be decreased to 850 credits.


View PostDoomlord52, on Sep 26 2010 - 22:03, said:

I think the reason people are complaining is because the tech tree right now is horribly imba for Russian tanks. The BEST (in terms of tech tree) German tank is the Maus, which was being made in 1944, vs the IS-7 which was around 1948. After that, the Russians and US could dev tanks as they wanted, using stolen tech from Germany at the end of the war. However, Germany could not build new tanks, or even design them.. resulting in the imba we have now.

If the E-series is implemented CORRECTLY, it should work out just fine. However in the beta the tech tree is basically organized so that the worst German tanks and the best Soviet tanks fight each other. Personally, I think that Germany should get the only Tier 10 TD, the E-100 Krokodil or whatever. 172mm gun w/ a ton of armor and 40km/h road speed would work just fine ;)

If not, just throw in the Leopard 1A1 into the mix for lulz. Sure its a bit late, but its the ONLY german post war tank. Im sure a 60km/h, electronically stabilized gun tank would work just fine. Ill just keep moving at 60km/h with 100% accuracy...

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Wow...Just looked up the Krokodil. Would not mind this ingame.

theta0123 #36 Posted Sep 26 2010 - 22:22

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View PostWhiteHyena, on Sep 26 2010 - 21:43, said:

If the Russians get to have their crazy prototypes then so should the Germans- It may look ugly put I'd put my vote down for the Pzkpfw X (http://gfx-storage.c...ource/pzx1a.htm) Granted it was purely for propaganda but who cares :P With that body I'd love to see Russian players moaning about ricocheting shells for a change.
then what are all those VK tanks doing ingame?

Or like the people saying the SU18, SU5 and SU22 shouldnt be ingame because only a handfull where build. So where the panzerjager and sturmpanzers!

I love the prototypes. From the KV3 to the VK to the future E-series and US Heavy tanks

PzGrenKdr #37 Posted Sep 26 2010 - 22:51

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View PostDoomlord52, on Sep 26 2010 - 22:03, said:

If the E-series is implemented CORRECTLY, it should work out just fine. However in the beta the tech tree is basically organized so that the worst German tanks and the best Soviet tanks fight each other. Personally, I think that Germany should get the only Tier 10 TD, the E-100 Krokodil or whatever. 172mm gun w/ a ton of armor and 40km/h road speed would work just fine ;)

there was no Jagdpanzer planned on E100 chassis, this is postwar-fantasy by the german model-builder Sebastin Nast, nothing else. All planned E-tanks will be ingame if you look at full-tree,beside the E-5, but this would be a nealy useless/not balancedable tank(same armour like Marder II but much more powerfull weapon, able to knock out tanks up to T-9)

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View Posttheta0123, on Sep 26 2010 - 22:22, said:

then what are all those VK tanks doing ingame?

Or like the people saying the SU18, SU5 and SU22 shouldnt be ingame because only a handfull where build. So where the panzerjager and sturmpanzers!

I love the prototypes. From the KV3 to the VK to the future E-series and US Heavy tanks

Let me clarify my statement. I don't mind the prototypes as long as they are balanced, which currently they aren't. Ok? :)

CommissionerJan #39 Posted Sep 27 2010 - 20:01

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View PostPzGrenKdr, on Sep 26 2010 - 22:51, said:

there was no Jagdpanzer planned on E100 chassis, this is postwar-fantasy by the german model-builder Sebastin Nast, nothing else. All planned E-tanks will be ingame if you look at full-tree,beside the E-5, but this would be a nealy useless/not balancedable tank(same armour like Marder II but much more powerfull weapon, able to knock out tanks up to T-9)
To give the guy some credit, most of his ideas are not beyond reason, based on what was done with the other available chassis.

PzGrenKdr #40 Posted Sep 27 2010 - 20:06

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View PostCommissionerJan, on Sep 27 2010 - 20:01, said:

To give the guy some credit, most of his ideas are not beyond reason, based on what was done with the other available chassis.
but a TD with 140t weigth is sensless if you had a ATGM (X-7"Rotkäpchen") which is much cheaper and could penetrade all tanks.
All superweight-tanks have no sense, either tactical nor strategical. Much more MBTs(PantherII or E-50) would be better than some E-100 or similar.




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